[DBZFAN991]

Description :

At first glance this may cause some players to freak out, however given the current circumstances, I feel this recent bug has irreversible damage to the state of the game. Many players exploited this bug, many unknowingly, many accidentally, and I feel many don't even speak English and can therefore not contribute to solving the problem. The problem with a bug like this is that there is no way to tell who exploited. The top players who were able to take advantage of the bug are obvious, however, some players at the top earned their spot at the same time. Also, there are tons of players who could be logged in at the middle of the pack in terms of score who may have jumped days ahead, but nobody would be able to tell. I don't want to lose my progress, but its for the better of the game.

Detail of the suggestion(s) :
o Reset everyone's empire to 0 at the same time, essentially restarting the game

Summary :

Give positive values for the game and players :

* No players could have advantages from the bug
* No players will rage-quit from being taken advantage of
* Less detective work for admins, no headache, admins could focus energy into improving the game or making a better backup system.
* Players who started within the past 2-3 days could have an opportunity to start evenly, hopefully boosting the strength of the player base.

Give possible negative values for the game and players :

* Players will complain about losing their week of progress
* It is possible that some players will not return, however, this game is new enough that I figure people will not leave from a relatively small setback.

[metha]

I would prefer a roll back (even with it's inherent side effects e.g. people knowing who has what) but from my understanding this is not an option. So I agree with DBZFAN991 that a full restart may be the best option.

For the people who will complain just remember what you have learned in this past week or so and use that to give you a jump after the restart. Chances are you would achieve everything you have now and more in the same time frame.

[Myzaree]

Since a roll back is not an option, I would agree whole heartedly with a complete reset. It seems like a daunting task to put everyone back to pre-exploit. We can take away resources, servicemen, and energy cells, but what about the resources gained by econ buildings build with the bug money?

The other issue I see is finding out who all actually received the extra resources. We can easily see the top players that received the resources, but what about the player in 100th that jumped to 40th?

I know this belongs elsewhere, but some backup systems to prevent further issues would be a great benefit. We are early in the game so a week setback isn't a huge deal. However, if this happens 2 months down the road, then there would be substantially worse issues without the ability to log specific details or roll back.

Long story short, I am pro-reseting the entire system. It would be a great time to do a quick advertising campaign to get more players into the game.

This post has been edited by Myzaree: 08 November 2010 - 08:34 AM

[retched]

A roll back or a reset are both good solutions to this. Basically, it's to have players not have any unintentional advantages. I think that a full reset would probably be the best solution since it would account for any residual effects that may occur.

[maverick33]

Hello,
As some players say, the advance that some players have been using beug in the game is hard to repair.
Buildings, ships and soldiers were used to take the advance and attack other players.

A return to zero could be the best solution if the administrators can not solve the problem easily.

[Mavlin]

While the round is still in its infancy, it would seem to be no problem that we rollback or reset. Indeed as I personally started a few days late I would greatly benefit by a reset. Still one must consider that a bug is not guaranteed not to occur in the future. Should a bug occur, say six months down the line, would it be justifiable to reset then? Surely it would not be right to ruin six months worth of work because a few individuals exploited various portions of the game.

In conclusion, while a reset may be acceptable now, dually note that in this first instance we will be setting precedence with regard to how we will be treating such events in the future. Let us not create policies we may regret in the future.

[Corporal Aston]

I agree with everything that has been said.

to avoid such in the future, daily saves of the server will take place, so the maximum that could be lost is 24h of work

[Max_VD]

I agree with the reset too.

[Djé-71_FR]

i agree

[terminateur3]

I also agree as I have to use the bug for the constructions and that I took beforehand on the other one players a lot it is normal that he(it) is there a discount(delivery) has zero




(Tractuction it francais for those who understood.)

je suis d'accord aussi comme j'ai utiliser le bug pour les constructions et que j'ai pris beaucoup d'avance sur les autres joueurs c'est normale qu'il y est une remise a zero.

This post has been edited by terminateur3: 08 November 2010 - 01:44 PM

[Marts]

I agree with the reset as well.

[vampirbg]

I finally build a spaceship and you propose a reset? Are you trying to tell me that you keep no logs of all the player transactions? For a new game it's a requirement since you can't guarantee there are no bugs. Also what surprises me is that up until now you haven't thought of having a backup at least once a day? In 24h you could have built a few buildings, had some raids etc and you'd have to do it again even if you had nothing to do with the bug? Not a good idea in my opinion. I didn't have anything to do with the bug (in fact I don't even know what the bug is) but I'll be punished for something that's the developer's fault. (they had no logs and no backups which is very irresponsible)

The only available option is a rollback. Let the admins and developers to their jobs and sort this out. Sure, if they had any logs in the beginning this would be a lot easier, but I guess they learned their lesson the hard way.

I'd rather quit playing than going through rebuilding everything from scratch.

[Glastiriane]

jai pas tout saisi ^^ , jai juste compris "bug" et "Reset" c('est l'essentiel on me dira^^

mais pourquoi ne pas enlever simplement les bonus qui ya eu .... étant donner que les joueurs buger on continuer a jouer ... on les sanctionnes ... motif " utilisation de bug a leur avantage" , je rigole

go back up , un de la semaine dernière sa suffi , mais pas de remise a 0 ... je refait pas de nouveau , déjà que les début d'uni sont chiant ... surtout en v2 avec les bat 1.5 fois plus long que la V3

c'est un coup a tout tuer sa

This post has been edited by Glastiriane: 08 November 2010 - 02:38 PM

[Corporal Aston]

Glastiriane, on 08 November 2010 - 02:38 PM, said:

jai pas tout saisi ^^ , jai juste compris "bug" et "Reset" c('est l'essentiel on me dira^^

mais pourquoi ne pas enlever simplement les bonus qui ya eu .... étant donner que les joueurs buger on continuer a jouer ... on les sanctionnes ... motif " utilisation de bug a leur avantage" , je rigole

go back up , un de la semaine dernière sa suffi , mais pas de remise a 0 ... je refait pas de nouveau , déjà que les début d'uni sont chiant ... surtout en v2 avec les bat 1.5 fois plus long que la V3

c'est un coup a tout tuer sa

You must be aware that a back up or a reset is nearly the same thing in this case. We are only going one week back. The new players might have probably learned alot and at least everybody can start on a good basis, with no disadvantage.

No body is being punished because, everybody will be equal and you can possibly change strategy if you made a mistake at the beginning.

[Rekarler]

Seems like there will be a loss in the number of players, but it is only fair.
So if we are doing a reset - we should do it soon.
If we do reset, then every day is wasted before the reset.
I strongly agree with a reset - even 1 bug is enough to make the game unfair between players, but there are 2 here, so....

[vampirbg]

The problem is that I have an advantage over the one who joined a week later. If we start from scratch we are essentially equal. Also, mistakes or not, I don't like the idea of building everything again just to get to the same level I already have now. If you can't do a rollback then leave everything as it is. Over a time everything will even up and those that profited should lose their rank. Bugs happen and will happen again. That's why logs are important. I know because I also make browser games and have been burnt by bugs a lot of times so I've learned to log everything at the start and tune out the logs as the game gets more stable)

[Bot xXx]

Glastiriane, on 08 November 2010 - 02:38 PM, said:

jai pas tout saisi ^^ , jai juste compris "bug" et "Reset" c('est l'essentiel on me dira^^

mais pourquoi ne pas enlever simplement les bonus qui ya eu .... étant donner que les joueurs buger on continuer a jouer ... on les sanctionnes ... motif " utilisation de bug a leur avantage" , je rigole

go back up , un de la semaine dernière sa suffi , mais pas de remise a 0 ... je refait pas de nouveau , déjà que les début d'uni sont chiant ... surtout en v2 avec les bat 1.5 fois plus long que la V3

c'est un coup a tout tuer sa

Je suis tout a fait d'accord avec Glasti , c'est long et chiant au debut .. alors si en plus de sa vous faites une remise a zero .. des joueurs s'en iront .. moi en partie . Que l'on sanctionne ce qui ont eu le bug ( L'utilisation ) . Pas de remise a zero deja que la v2 c'est lent .

[zinz]

I would also vote for a reset. I think it is the best for everyone.

[SkY]

J'ai voté "pour" mais pas pour un reset mais " pour" un back-up .

I Choose "Good idea" but not for a reset , good for a back-up

[BlackBerry]

It seems to be a good idea to me, but can we upgrade production and building speed ?